Full details of a road test of this $120,000 to $160,000 SUV. A must read for anybody contemplating buying any EV. Jaguar I-Pace SE 2019 review: How does it fare on the highway? 1Mar19 A few weeks ago I blogged –
Our cars under threat with Agenda 21
EV’s are ok for city slicks perhaps, but are *death* outside the metrop area. This review shows this for just a shortish 3 hour trip to Canberra.
As if we didn’t already know this. And the EV reviewed here costs about 4x an ICE Corolla.
These toys are not an alternative to ICE travel. The majority of the populace are unconvinced as yet, which is somewhat of a very small comfort.
The batteries alone cost almost as much as a petrol car.
I doubt EVs will ever be truly cost competitive for the foreseeable future.
I don’t think it is a good idea for governments to try to predict the future of technology with subsidies and targets.
The Jaguar looks more like a hatchback than an SUV! If understood correctly, he got better distance/%charge returning than going to the ACT – this may be due to altitude difference, being able to regenerative charging downhill. So much for Bill Shorten’s election proposals!
Has anybody done the maths on the amount of gen capacity that will be needed to charge the expected fleet change over by 2030?
Has anybody done the maths on the installation cost of infrastructure to provide charging?
Is there enough crustal abundance to provide the Li & Co?
Bill will have to buy one for his Mrs if his wandering eye kicks in.
the truth:-
www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-04-21/new-study-shocks-electric-cars-considerably-worse-climate-diesel-cars
[ Ironically a Brussels report on a German study! – you could not make it up]
Thanks for this, Warwick. It’s a classic travel story in its way, and a quicker read than the Anabasis or the Lusiads.
One thing I noticed is that when the intrepid adventurer did find a charging station, it was always unoccupied, despite the lengthy charge times that electric cars require. That was not surprising as there are basically zero electric cars on the road outside the big cities. But can you imagine how many stations, and how much tarmac, would be needed if Shorten got his way and 50% of the Aussie car fleet was electric?
Yes it looks more like a Hatchback than an SUV to me.
I have been pondering what the Jaguar agents would have given a person about to roadtest their new darling.
Would they take a view, you are an informed automotive person and can work it all out for yourself.
Or would they supply maps and addresses of charging stations and maybe even credit cards for any accounts needed for proprietary chargers particularly favourable for their Jaguar.
Or would they include in the vehicle a box of charging adaptors and connectors plus maybe cables to assist the driver get the best charge whenever/wherever.
Surely any EV that will not fully charge overnight on home mains power would be just useless for many people.
Choice says it takes 14 hours to fully charge a Nissan Leaf at (Level 1) home 15 amp 3 pin socket.
www.choice.com.au/transport/cars/eco-friendly/articles/charging-electric-cars
The leaf is a mini compared to other more Glam EVs so for most EVs there is no chance of an overnight charge at home giving the battery a full charge. Then there is the modified plug you could pay to install at home to get a higher charge rate.
Choice had a link to EVs available in Oz and that took me with some exploring to this Jaguar page –
www.jaguar.com.au/jaguar-range/i-pace/index.html
it says. “With a 50kW DC rapid charger – the kind found at most public charging stations – I-PACE can achieve up to 270km of range per hour”
Mostly not the experience in the CarsGuide article.
Jaguar say. “HOME CHARGING; For optimum charging at home, you can install an approved Jaguar wall box1. I-PACE is equipped with a 7kW single phase AC on-board charger2, which can fully recharge the vehicle overnight and deliver up to 35km of range per hour. When using a domestic socket, charging rates are slower than a wall box (up to 11km of range per hour), but are sufficient to cover the average daily commute of 60km if the vehicle is charged overnight. Industrial sockets (or upgraded domestic sockets) can charge up to 35 km of range per hour.”
and for public charging stations. “PUBLIC CHARGING; The best way to get a quick top up of your battery’s charge for those long journeys is with DC chargers – a typical 50kW charger can deliver up to 270km of range per hour3. As the public charging infrastructure improves, I-PACE will be equipped to accept up to a 100kW DC charge rate. This means you can easily add 100km of range in just 15 minutes. Depending upon the service provider, public AC chargers can have a range of outputs. You can also find convenient charging points at places you may want to stay for several hours – or even overnight – including local shopping centres, hotels and gyms. Simply pull up, plug in, then go enjoy yourself. “
Thanks Beachgirl.
Three things stand out. First of all the sheer slowness of even the fastest, not-yet-available, super-expensive industrial chargers. 100 kms of range in just 15 minutes, wow. So if you drove from Sydney to Brisbane you would have to stop maybe three times, for close to an hour each, to make it – when the super-chargers are finally available. At the moment, long-distance travel is just out of the question.
Second, the number of charges that would be necessary, especially in remote areas, if you were to convert half the fleet to electric, as B. S. “plans”. Now, at a petrol station, you can fill up, pay up, and drive away in 5 minutes no worries. With an EV, even with the superdooper new chargers, filling up will take an hour, to get a much shorter range than you can get in a petrol car. So if EVs took off, you would need thousands of chargers on all major highways.
Third, the cost. Consider the implications of their spruiking that:
“You can also find convenient charging points at places you may want to stay for several hours – or even overnight – including local shopping centres, hotels and gyms. Simply pull up, plug in, then go enjoy yourself. “
Somebody has got to pay for all those charging points, presumably the local shopping centres, hotels and gyms that install them. Which means we are all going to pay more for everything so that these prats in EVs can parade their virtue to us. Great!
One last point: EVs don’t save on CO2 emissions anyway, because of the huge emissions required mining the raw materials for the batteries, plus the coal-fired power required in most countries to charge them. See brusselstimes.com/business/technology/15050/electric-vehicles-emit-more-co2-than-diesel-ones,-german-study-shows
The commentary on trip planning and assocated fear of getting caught with a flat battery in the heat should be a real wake up. Once to force people onto EVs you need to understand that you’re potentially signing a death warrent to an unknow number of people each year who will run dry and die. It’s no wonder Aussies avoid these cars in droves.
Just need a trailer with a 100KW diesel generator in it. Oh and a bee smoker for the kid to play with.
> ” … you can easily add 100km of range in just 15 minutes” (Jaguar)
Well, we can add 700km in <10 minutes with an ICE vehicle now.
Such progressive progress … climate hysterics, unite !!
I think Electricity Bill’s solution will be to provide long extension chords (subsidised of course).
BECAUSE – fairies pay for subsidies.
The snake oil salesmen are still alive and well.
In the Hyundai advertisement for their EV, the IONIQ (it should be “No IQ”), they put in bold letters that fuel is $1.60/litre and electricity is only $0.34/kWh. Now that sure does look like a remarkable distance and how could you possibly not go out and buy a Hyundai?
The vehicle is about the same size as Toyota’s Yaris.
When you do the calculations of running costs (for fuel/energy only) using these prices and the manufacturers’ claims for economy, you find that the IONIQ is actually 50% more costly to run than the Yaris.
God bless snake oil salesmen.
ps The IONIQ is about 80% more expensive to purchase than the Yaris, but so what, eh?
Choice’s “standard” 15 Amp socket is not your standard domestic outlet, it is actually a special purpose outlet, it has a different shaped earth pin (round). The standard household GPO (General Purpose Outlet) is rated at 10 Amp, hence a 15 Amp outlet would not normally be available in most homes. Hence choice’s 14 hour charging time would likely become 20+ hours.
Yes charging electric cars may be a nightmare now anywhere outside capital cities but just wait till people are forced to buy these expensive greenie’s toys in large numbers, you can expect to queue in a line of traffic for your 40 min, 80% charge. Forget that leisurely cup of coffee and back on the road, start thinking about finding a motel or a B&B for your enforced overnight stay.
Thanks Bob those 5 amps mean quite a few hours waiting for sufficient charge.
It is all in front of us.